Communicate or ... are we already dead?
What is up with his website? Am I missing something or is it terribly quiet around here these days?
I am interested in starting a few discussions that would be appropriate for this site:
1. What ideas do people have for unions setting up online activists? (I posted something about this under another name not very long ago).
2. What do we do about unions using technology that is tired, tight and hard to manipulate? What can be done to "sell" drupal?
3. What about the idea of setting up individual online activists who are willing to get on the same page with a full on collective response to various anti-labor sites? This is an idea that I have had for a long time, but I don't think that the unions or the labor federations will attack this issue because they either can't or don't have the resources for defending its stance with people it will never convert ... however, what is to say that everyday working people sitting online for hours and hours should not and could not get called up to do the job ??? Anyone have any ideas about that?
I look forward to at least 20 comments :)
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pending resurrection
CorD has been essentially inactive for some time. It's too bad, I have benefited from the contributions of various people, both practical tips and perspectives on labor and tech.
I think one bottleneck on the site has been the lack of sharing of administrative tasks. If there were a layer of users empowered to promote items to the front page (and delete spam entries like "Do you have the right loan? We'll help you get it") and make other such decisions, it would lessen the load on Steve D and encourage participation. That's one of Drupal's strong points, but CorD doesn't take advantage of it.
At this point, I'm not sure that would be enough to get us back on track. Do others keep track of the site? I check the rss feed on my bloglines page almost every day.
Please do post, Richard, and maybe we can jump start some discussion.
Working with Communicate or Die
I talked with Steve briefly about helping out where and when I can to keep this updated, we will probably talk more about that next week. Also, there is an union Carpenter/ activist that we both know, whom I think would be ideal to take some lead over the whole updating project. He is running his own site at ubcnewsroom.com and is a regular contributor and administrator on Union Review.
There are all kind of sites that are springing up, seemingly out of nowhere ... and I think it would be great if we can all communicate about our site victories and struggles here. I can certainly use as much feedback and pointers as possible.
It is good to hear from you Matt, I hope you are well.
let's start with the spam
To begin with, it would be great to enable trusted users to tag spam and unpublish it. The site's administrator(s) could then decide whether to delete it and what to do about blocking the user who submitted it.
A more ambitious step would be to recruit a few users to interview people or otherwise generate content for the site. Steve did a couple of interviews at the outset I think.
Take care, Matt
Spam deleted
OK, we licked the automated comment spam. Now there are some real people who take the time to actually register with the site and post blog spam. Fortunately, that's low enough volume that we can keep up with.
distributed work?
At the risk of repeating myself again, one more time, redundantly, why not take advantage of Drupal's tools to distribute some of the administration work? The permissions and user roles are sufficiently granular to enable people to get involved step by step, with no big risks.
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"not turn over Communicate or Die to those who would ignore your original goals for this site."
My posts were not proper for this forum. They had nothing to do with Technology.I have removed all my posts for this reason It is difficult to remain silent when people PRETEND to be Good Union members.
It's All Quite Simple !
Sometimes we need to take ourselves out of the daily routine of everyday life, and be put our in a situation that makes us really understand how great we really have it. Being part of Union used to be a priviledge, at you time or another joining was almost impossible where you had to be or know someone of influence, no doubt those privileges are still there, but only for the internally few. These days Organizing efforts are overshadowed by BIG BUSINESS, people don't look at Unions the same way anymore. Even Our own organizations are involved in some sort of corruption, have been and maybe always will be, but does that mean we stop doing the things that make us stronger.
I THINK NOT !
Rank and File members are discouraged, our political options are limited, or use of organizing funds are'nt being used to their full potential and the memberships "LACK OF MORALE" is at and all time high.
Don't get me wrong... Things have changed for the better and we anticipate a brighter future, but we have to take personal responsibility for our own actions.
Member Involvement Can Be Very Contagious...
It's All Quite Simple !
Organize, Educate, Nominate and Don't Agitate
Charles Lezette
Carpenters Local 370
Albany, NY
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www.youtube.com/voc370
www.myspace.com/nominateducate
More Propaganda BS
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online activists
A lot of unions are making use of the "GetActive" system, which I think the AFL-CIO makes available free to its affiliates. Of course, that's designed for one-way communication - I think most of us here would agree that more interaction is needed to engage union members and supporters.
Allowing readers to post comments on the AFL-CIO and Change to Win blogs seems to me like a big step in the right direction at the top. I think some of the internationals have done the same? It seems pretty rare at the state or local level.
There are some unions that have set up members-only discussion forums or email lists - but since they're members-only, I don't know what successes or problems they've encountered.
The Facebook stuff is very interesting. Maybe you could post some details for us old farts on how to set up a union Facebook account? Sounds like something any large union would want to do, if only to attract younger members to their sites.
Finally, I'm all for counteracting the propaganda of UnionFacts and other anti-labor sites. I think the AFL-CIO and CtW blogs do a pretty good job in this respect. But I do notice a lot of paid ads on Google for UnionFacts, not so many for our side. Maybe it's just a question of how much the federations are willing to shell out for ad placement!
p.s.
Just noticed that Mass. Jobs with Justice has set up a "MySpace" page - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendi...
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About get-active dot com
"lot of unions are making use of the "GetActive" system, which I think the AFL-CIO makes available free to its affiliates."
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This post is deliberately a little vague on the details for obvious reasons.
I have discovered a security problem with union newsletters published thru get-active and for which the chief scientist refuses to admit or take action
The problem in my case was exploited NOT by a spambot, but instead by some union employees-officers who have gone to great lengths to stifle my access to union members and even the company because of my activities in pointing out significant financial malfeasance and corruption
In a nutshell, it turns out that if you sign up for your [get active version ] of a union newsletter, AND your union does NOT disable some default features which allow you to easily access YOUR profile, AND you either forward to friends or publish on a web site the newsletter you received, YOUR profile and email address can be easily accessed or changed. Then by changing email address , your newsletter password can be sent to anywhere.
The result then allows those so inclined to send out spam with your email address, and by making it circular to the newsletter site, either your email address gets blocked for input to the union, or in worst case, the get active system might get put on the blacklist.
Getactive (Convio ) also supports many major non profit orgs.
Bottom line - IF your union uses that system - be VERY careful and BE sure YOUR union does NOT use the defaults.
I had hoped that Convio would put out a warning - but since they apparently have not - I am posting this here.
What killed Communicate or Die?
Not looking to blame people, just to figure out what makes a website fail. My two cents: it was too big a task for one person to stay on top of content, reply frequently, cull spam, solicit content, administer the site, etc.
Drupal offers tools for distributing not just the creation of content, but also the administration of a website/community. It would have been good for that to happen here.
One suggestion: why not have CorD users vote for the most interesting ten pieces on the site and then make a "best of" collection?
maybe it's still breathing
I don't know if it "died" but I honestly think there was something wrong with the software. Something went haywire about determining recent posts. As in it didn't. So even if there was new content it wasn't apparent.
[shields up]
There seems to be something of an apple-like effect with drupal and I fully expect to get nuked for
suggesting drupal could malfunction :-) (Ok if it wasn't drupal then there'd be an intimation it wasn't configured correctly and I'm pretty sure that's not going to make someone happy either. oops. Ok let's blame it on the browser. I always use firefox. :-)
Besides considering a software tuneup, I suggest the concept be refined a bit. If the concept was something like "help existing unions communicate
with their membership and the world in general" that's kinda doomed because unions don't like to communicate substantive things. While a lot of people especially the rank and file unionists would really like to hear more from unions and be more involved, the unions don't want to do it. It's that classic newbie thing that a newcomer comes across what looks like an
obvious problem that needs to be improved and then they find out that the reason it never 'improved' was because almost no one of any stature in the system wanted it to change. When you try to change things the forces come out of the woodwork on a continuum ranging from disinterest to fierce hostility against change. A lot of times wouldbe changers never know what hit them. They just magically get excluded from everything.
But I think that promoting unions is a good idea. Just leave out the part where we expect unions to want to do it and participate in any formal kind of way. A good way to get around this kind of problem classically is to find a good enemy. And there are really a lot of them. So I think Richard's suggestion to take on anti-union websites is a good one. (Sorry Richard I didn't see it until now.)
It ... is ... ALIVE ...
Just a note to this thread to say Communicate or Die is back in business ... please set phasers for stun ...
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